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You didn't need to post all the things I wrote dsajgdisao


 * Attack Reflection: So, what're you implying exactly? If it's that the non-attacks you mentioned wouldn't be reflected, I'd argue otherwise. Not only can these things be reflected by the ability anyway, as mentioned in the profile, but I doubt they need to register as attacks either. If they're a, well, thing posing a threat to Xeno Goku AND they fall under the listed categories in the powers and abilities list, they should be reflectable.

Ah, not at all. I am not talking about a 'thing' either, due to what I said in the AP section, it doesn't fall under any category the world (all conception) can register, transgressesing nonduality and manifesting ontological paradoxes that have a chaotic logical connection, the act of 'reflecting' would be a 1 and 'not reflecting' would be a -1... the "attack" would be ∅. The Loli's attack would be comparable to, having the entire world cease to exist, where the concept of being hurt, being damaged, etc. are all 0, still being "hit" by an unknown from which nothing at all could be compared to as nothing else exists. As such, they aren't physical, they aren't void, they 'aren't' and vaguely even 'aren't' at that. This is the "null-value erasure" I've been talking about. Since it lacks filtering, all aspects of Goku's being, including the vagueness between the boundaries of conception (i.e.: where does 'physicality' stop and where does 'non-physicality' start) and the given definitions for them which back up and press the boundaries together (the conceptually-attributing defintion of 'physicality' and 'non-physicality').


 * Sealing and BFR: He either seals his opponent in any physical container, like the Mafuba seal or "an electrical rice cooker", as well as the Dragon Balls or a pocket reality/other dimension of his creation/an already existing one. Evidently, only the latter would be considered a world of its own, and that... break-out-off-able... albeit Goku can manipulate the quantum make-up of them if that helps at all. The sealing abilities are basically a big wave that he fires out, albeit there's a struggle that may occur and the opponent may or may not be able to escape from the regular Mafuba. However, with the Divine Mafuba and the nameless technique, a resistance is strictly needed to survive. Forms of DT, Time Travel, or Teleportation are null-and-void when trapped by this.

He hasn't shown (because no one has been able to... well, because no one has even tried) seal him away, and RESETs would be akin to a form of bfr but... if the containers said bfr/sealing could be said to be alternate worlds (even if we are talking about a pocket dimension in the form of an object, a rice cooker in this case), then he could break his way out. It's not that he's stepping away from them, he's tearing them up from the inside. Has this been attempted before? Of course, this can greatly hinder him if Goku starts out with this, since the loli is starting out without much of his high-level, multi-formal hax, but he could eventually get out if that's the case.

Not sure what are the rules of 'time trapped/incapacitated' when it comes to BFR/Sealing in a match-up... sorry if my response is lackluster, but I'm really unfamiliar with how BFR/Sealing works... similar to how you were being iffy about the "Intelligence" part... How could you compare the world and the seal... I mean, the world (AKA the reality cap in this match-up) itself barely contains him due to the vagueness, hm...


 * Hakai: Would resisting the Hakai qualify for resisting the Loli™'s erasure? Also, I argue Shenron Mode could come into play here. Super Shenron is capable of practically anything within the realm of his power, as long as Goku knows what to wish for/what to do, so seeing as though he's superior to Goku here by a margin that's supposedly equal to Zeno, he could potentially pull some useful forkery off.

As explained above, there is a sharp difference between being erased after being removed from dimensionality, and the vagueness and absolute null. The former is stable and functional under the conceptual-dimensional boundaries of the world and the latter is something not even the world knows about. Initially, if you asked the world about it, it would vaguely state to be dimensional or be adimensional (vagueness), but then it wouldn't even know, and could not percieve it (null). You would need hax on the level of transduality of type 2 (due to the cap reality has in this match-up) to be able to function enough to come back as vagueness or null. Since the loli is a vessel, it already has an abstract mechanism that enables it to persist like this, specially with Determination and Killing Intent (something as of now seemingly encompassed by Will).

Note: I want to know more about the role of Super Shenron and Zeno in this match-up though. Since reality has been given a cap, how could this affect Super Shenron's 'in the realm of his power' abilities. The Loli has it so it can't go that much beyond the current world reality, and vagueness should be the cap instead of the full-on capacities for null, for example (there's multiple ways of interpreting a "null" and the higher-ends the loli has goes by the multi-formalism that makes absolute infinity muda muda muda... so that's not allowed lmao).

Note 2: I have a question for you, the same one that makes me iffy about the usefulness of sealing/bfr: What's so different between breaking the boundaries of the world and breaking a seal? The world itself would be limiting you in a way to stay inside of it or you completely cease to exist as all conception is given inside of it. As the world-transgressing capabilities of the loli were nerfed for the match-up, the 'cap' changes and this could be a way of victory if the loli can't tear the alternate world apart, since it would be an equal that of the currelt reality they're fighting. The only saving grace would be SAVE and LOAD if that were the case. Then again, I'm inexperienced behind the mechanics of BFR/Sealing... qwqq